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stract: Escape rooms emerged as a real-life embodiment of video games. Here we examine the relationship between escape rooms and their most significant ancestor through an interview with the narrative designers from Sweet Baby Inc, a consultancy for some of the top video game studios. In this conversation with RECON’s David Spira, Kim, Ari, and David, unpack the lessons that escape room creators can learn from video game design, and in turn, examine one thing that modern video games really should learn from escape rooms. Introduction music: Mikel & GameChops https://music.apple.com/us/album/zelda-chill/1435680173 https://open.spotify.com/album/3oNO1P0Qlr4oSlMA2MIj67?si=3D_gYAZZQlyonUCjc6jN-A